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Linda Goin's avatar

EBT seems pretty popular around here for anyone except the wealthy, who don't pay it any mind because it's now a class issue rather than a cultural issue.

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Chris Abraham's avatar

(Also, “poverty fatigue”—how you do think that that's a cultural issue and not a class issue? Honest question. Poverty suggests class and not culture, no?)

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Chris Abraham's avatar

Also, how do you define “wealthy?” Because people who make hundreds of thousands of dollars in America still call themselves working and middle class these days, which is different than $20k, $50k, $75k, $125k)… please define your terms. Does “popular around here” mean people use EBT or that they are happy that their taxes go to it. There's a very different dynamic between the people who feel like they are taking (other people's tax dollars) versus people why feel like they are giving (against their will).

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Linda Goin's avatar

I don't care what they call themselves. Do they qualify for EBT? That's the litmus test. EBT is not easy to get, mind you. And the wealthy currently pay more taxes than the folks who qualify for EBT (some of my family and friends included at various times). How do you mean that the people who qualify are happy their taxes go to it. Of course, they would be -- they're the recipients. Have you ever been on welfare of any kind? Oh -- the wealthy around here are race horse mint julep generous. No gripes. Just NIMBY.

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Chris Abraham's avatar

Remember if you're not receiving the benefit yourself you don't want other people to have it I mean it's just as simple as that You've got single people and grandparents and people who don't have babies and two incomes no children people who resent the or people who have their kids in day schools and boarding schools and Catholic schools and parochial schools and homeschools who resent the fact that tax money is being spent on public schools and public education and people who resent money going towards universities if they went to vocational school or people who don't want federal funding going to Africa when they don't feel like they're poor and their vets especially are being taken care of right like you can see it in any other way You can see it well isn't that nice or wouldn't you like that or isn't that something isn't that like aren't they lucky like they don't All they see is the things that they don't have and my entire point of the article and if it didn't make any sense to you it didn't make any sense to anybody because you're damn smart is that it doesn't really matter what's right or wrong or what's needed or not It has to do with whether or not people vote against their own best interest out of spite That's not a culture war that's not a class war that is a cut off my nose despite my face or to quote the Three stooges when when Moe saw that curly was chewing on a leather shoe he said curly why are you chewing on that leather shoe and curly said well I have a tapeworm and this is good enough for him right like eating a leather shoe because you don't want to give good food to the tapeworm that you have That's the kind of spite and that might be the next idea for my substack Love you Linda!

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Linda Goin's avatar

Why wouldn't I want other people to have it? You have forgotten who I am...a socialist at heart. Hope you feel better. I couldn't read it all.

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Chris Abraham's avatar

Well I don't think I'm saying anything against EBT or SNAP or anything like that I'm just saying that when people feel like other people are taking advantage of them and they see one person who's taking advantage or being fraudful or they perceive a threat like everything is not fair or everything is not equal and they feel like they are putting in their blood sweat and tears and other people are just playing video games in the basement or anything then you can really manipulate it I just wrote an article called another article that you might see called manufactured descent This is a perfect example I didn't mention manufactured descent with regards to the class issue cuz it seems like it's impossible to get the class issue Jack without it being dismissed and diluted with climate and just and diluted with identity and gender and sexuality and so forth that and even free Palestine right like unless free Palestine is a double secret way into the class issue The only time I see any real class struggle it gets diluted by identity politics and all the people it's like it's like all Chiefs and no Indians to use an awful phrase which is to say there are all vanguards the proletariat and all the proletariat voted maga because they just didn't feel like they had a place and they hate identity politics and gender confusion and they hate a anti-racism and white fragility and they hate pronouns even more than they are hate classes in poverty in America so please excuse me this is a voice to text so there are no actual real kind of punctuation kind of thingies and I owe you a call.

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Linda Goin's avatar

I think the people who feel the most resentment right now are the people who DON'T have anything.

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Chris Abraham's avatar

Sadly, they are also the people who have the least power, people are the least afraid of, and who almost never vote or protest.

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Linda Goin's avatar

Regarding the demographics of protestors in 2025, noting that the No King's March was specifically eyed:

"The participants of these protests include:

* A broad coalition of organizations: Over 150 progressive, labor union, pro-democracy, civil rights, LGBTQ+, and women's rights groups have been involved in coordinating protests.

* Diverse demographics: Protesters encompass a wide range of individuals, including youth and students, white-collar professionals, manufacturing and healthcare workers, educators, and families.

* Immigrant rights advocates: A significant portion of protests focused on immigrant rights, with participation from Latin American communities and descendants of immigrants.

* LGBTQ+ advocates: LGBTQ+ rights groups have actively participated in protests, expressing concerns about policies targeting transgender individuals.

* Individuals concerned about democracy and civil rights: Many protesters are motivated by concerns about the state of democracy and the erosion of civil liberties.

* Anti-Trump administration sentiment: A major driving force behind the protests is opposition to President Trump and his administration's policies, including those related to immigration and civil rights.

"It's important to note that while the protests are generally described as peaceful, law enforcement has reported incidents involving some individuals described as 'anarchists'. However, authorities have also acknowledged that the majority of protests have been peaceful.

"Overall, the bulk of protests in the U.S. in 2025 appear to be comprised of a broad and diverse group of individuals and organizations united by concerns over the direction of the country and specific policies implemented by the current administration."

https://apnews.com/article/50501-protests-project-2025-trump-state-capitols-ddd341171a54ba9b498cbfe7530e18ab

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/29/us/lgbtq-pride-nyc-san-francisco-parade-protest

https://acleddata.com/2025/03/07/united-states-canada-overview-march-2025/

I haven't found that image that displays the demographics of who voted for Mamdani. But, this article talks about how he pulled from Gen Z and young first-time voters. https://www.amny.com/news/gen-z-voters-mamdani-primary-victory-2025/

Another article states: "In Astoria, Greenpoint, Bushwick, other very, very young neighborhoods, turnout surged two to three times in certain areas compared to 2021." Don't tell me those neighborhoods are home to nepo babies, because I looked up the median income across the board. Far less than your middle-class number.

I'm not predicting, either. Just stating that this administration may break records across the board on demographics, lifestyles, poverty levels, and much more.

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Chris Abraham's avatar

Saying "everyone" suggests that either it's being abused and overused or that your neighbors are the poor and not the working or middle class.

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Linda Goin's avatar

What a question. They're working, but not making enough to pay for anything. What do you call them?

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Chris Abraham's avatar

Working poor.

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Linda Goin's avatar

Thank you. Goodnight.

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Chris Abraham's avatar

What do you call them?

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